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Warchief
02-03-2011, 11:11 AM
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - In the late 1970s, David Prowse, the imposing actor who physically portrayed Darth Vader in the original " Star Wars " trilogy, was told he couldn't audition for the role of Superman when Richard Donner was casting his now-classic film. The reason? Prowse was not an American.

How times have changed.

British actor Henry Cavill , who has just been cast as the iconic -- and very American -- Superman, is the latest in a string of foreigners who have been chosen to play key movie roles by Hollywood. But since Superman is so quintessentially American, this latest casting has triggered a wave of soul-searching as yet another sought-after part has been outsourced.

"This casting is fundamentally anti-American," wrote one commentator on Ain't It Cool News. "It's disgusting casting to the highest degree, and I will never ever see a movie with a Brit as Superman."

But British, as well as Australian and Canadian actors, appear to have cornered the market on most of the leading action roles in the Hollywood movies that will be rolling out this year and next. They will be portraying the kind of caped crusaders and take-charge guys that once belonged to men bearing the " Made in the USA" label.

Andrew Garfield , raised in Britain, is portraying Peter Parker/Spider-Man, and Brit Christian Bale is about to start his third Batman movie. Australian Chris Hemsworth will be seen as Thor this summer, following in the footsteps of fellow countrymen Hugh Jackman (prepping for a new outing as Wolverine) and Eric Bana (who played Bruce Banner in Ang Lee 's Hulk ). Not to be left out, Canada is represented by Ryan Reynolds , who will patrol space sector 2814 as the Green Lantern.

Australia 's Sam Worthington has claimed the lead in movies ranging from "Terminator: Salvation" to "Avatar" to "Clash of the Titans." And the casting of British actor Daniel Day-Lewis as Abraham Lincoln in the upcoming Steven Spielberg biopic could cause a crisis of confidence among American actors.

A similar invasion is occurring in TV, with lead roles in AMC's comic book adaptation "The Walking Dead," NBC's superhero show "The Cape" and ABC's medical drama "Off the Map" all going to non-Americans.

While America's population of 308 million easily outnumbers the combined 117 million population of the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia -- accented actors currently enjoy an edge.

"America doesn't produce strapping actors anymore," said one Oscar-nominated producer, who declined to be identified, pointing out that American action stars at this stage consist of thespians with more boyish appeal such as Leonardo DiCaprio , who fought his ways through dreams in last summer's "Inception," and Shia LaBeouf , palling around with giant robots in " Transformers : Dark of the Moon."

"I hate to say it: They're better actors," added one talent rep who had a client in the early running early for the Superman role.

Some theorize that British actors enjoy the advantage of a classical training. But that isn't true in the case of Bale, who had no formal training and who also discounts any suggestion that there's a conspiracy at work.

"Whatever one's best for it, you pick 'em," Bale told The Hollywood Reporter on Sunday night at the SAG Awards, where he was rewarded as best supporting actor for his work in "The Fighter," set in Lowell, Mass. "And that's it. Do I think there's a pattern? Sounds like a pattern. But to me personally, I feel like it's going for each individual guy who has the chops for it, whether they're British, American or Australian. I don't think there's anything special happening in England that's making a lot of superheroes. To me, I'd put it down to coincidence."

But others see other forces at work. If Superman traditionally represented America's role as a global policeman, they argue that Cavill's casting is symbolic of America's decline as a superpower. University of Southern California professor of cultural history Leo Braudy said the current debate is part of a long-standing struggle between the ideals of American acceptance and assimilation and those of American purity and isolationism. In a globalizing world, even culture has become an export.

"American heroes have become the world's heroes," Braudy said. "They are international, not just local. We've merchandised out the ideas of superheroes to the world, and now they're taking their turn."

There may be a simpler, if even more powerful, influence at work: namely, the Internet.

"The reality is that access to actors all over the world is greater because of the Internet," says Marcia Ross, exec vp casting at Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures. Ross cast Cavill in his first American studio project, Disney's 2002 adaptation of "The Count of Monte Cristo." Thanks to the Net, Ross said, casting directors can now e-mail sides (script pages) to the most remote of locales, and then record auditions they will show directors and producers.

Not only does that level the playing field, it also saves money on far-flung casting calls. "We as casting directors want to be thorough, and now we can," she said.

Another way the world is coming to America is via YouTube and cable TV. With shows, be they English, Spanish or Indian, available on widely seen channels such as BBC America or Telemundo, foreign actors are getting more face time here than ever before.

"It's really been in the last 10 years that we've expanded exponentially our pool of talent," Ross said.
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Not mentioning the Englishman Ray Stevenson who was potrayed as the Punisher...maybe American actors are not hero types anymore, or maybe theres really an anti american attudes to some other hollywood ppl now.

bonzai
02-03-2011, 02:01 PM
I don't really understand why people are suddenly caring so much about this stuff....I admit it's kind of funny that Captain America isn't American, etc...but I dunno. I don't see the big deal.

Back in Shakespeare's days, little boys would play the parts of women in plays.

prophet665
02-03-2011, 02:09 PM
I am mystified people are upset about fictional characters. I really like Christian Bale as an actor and i never once thought anything of him playing Batman. Who cares where they were born? If they are the best at playing a part, then good for them! If American actors are upset, which I haven't heard any of them complaining, then they need to get their acting chops in order.

Francis
02-03-2011, 04:27 PM
I honestly don't see the big deal with what nationality the actor is, especially for a fictional character. Hollywood's been known to take creative liberties with even history to Americanize the appeal.

The movie U-571, for instance, was rewritten to make it seem like the Americans had been the heroes to capture the Enigma machine in World War II. That, to me, is a much more egregious recasting of reality.

Warchief
02-04-2011, 01:03 AM
Me, I was just curious what happen to the American actors...are they already overrated to play Superhero roles? :)




Oh If this also happened in England? Like if movie producers/directors there would hired Americans actors to potray their hero Capt. British and Prince Charles lol...masses there would gone ape shit.

Francis
02-04-2011, 01:27 AM
Oh If this also happened in England? Like if movie producers/directors there would hired Americans actors to potray their hero Capt. British and Prince Charles lol...masses there would gone ape shit.

Kevin Costner played a Robin Hood with an American accent once in a hollywood blockbuster. Also, I seem to remember Winston Churchill being played by Christian Slater once :dunce:

Warchief
02-04-2011, 10:34 AM
Christian Slater? Winston Churchill? B.S. And Robin was been already adopted around the world, but not those characters that I've mention...Imagine a redneck actor would potraye Prince Charles lol...that would be ugly.

NDshotokan
02-04-2011, 11:51 AM
I agree with most of the sentiment... who the heck cares? Not this guy...

bonzai
02-04-2011, 12:05 PM
Who's got two thumbs and doesn't give a damn?

This guyyyyyy

Grabaka
02-04-2011, 05:12 PM
Christian Slater? Winston Churchill? B.S. And Robin was been already adopted around the world, but not those characters that I've mention...Imagine a redneck actor would potraye Prince Charles lol...that would be ugly.

Actually Christian Slater did play Churchill, with Neve Campbell as Princess Elizabeth: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Plenty of American actors have played foreign roles, and vice versa. That's why they call it "acting".

prophet665
02-04-2011, 08:45 PM
Actually Christian Slater did play Churchill, with Neve Campbell as Princess Elizabeth: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Plenty of American actors have played foreign roles, and vice versa. That's why they call it "acting".

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Boo
02-04-2011, 10:37 PM
Aren't you guys even a little curious as to why it is SO lopsided? I certainly am. I'm not talking about getting bent out of shape about it, I'm talking about why. It seems like more than coincidence to me. I'm not leaning toward some sort of conspiracy, but is the training of actors really so different in Britain, Canada, and Australia?

Why is a Brit playing Abraham Lincoln? Really? There wasn't any American actors that could do as good of a job.

Do you think that an American would be cast as a British hero if the movie was made in England?

How about Canada? Hey bonzai, as our resident Canadian, wouldn't people be a little bugged if an American played the part of a Canadian hero in a film made in Canada?

bonzai
02-04-2011, 11:33 PM
As the resident Canuck, I'd have to say...no not really. However I can't say I speak for all Canadians, that's just me. Not much really gets under my skin. Also, although some good Canadian flicks are made, and we have some good actors...a lot of Canadian television and films just aren't that great. I don't really care where it's made or by who, as long as it's good.

I actually had to look up to check if Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas were Canadian or not. They're the two iconic hosers in my mind. Me and my friends sometimes joke around when we're drinking and put on the "Canadian accent" or "the hoser": which is almost entirely inspired by Bob and Doug McKenzie--two fictitious Canadian brothers doncha know. I knew Dave was Canadian, but I had no idea about Rick Moranis...and frankly I couldn't care less. Still, they did end up being Canadian, so I guess it's not a great example.

However, the duo really cracks me up:

YouTube - Strange Brew - Original Trailer

I highly suggest watching that movie to anyone who hasn't seen it. They started as an SCTV skit, and then were offered a movie deal since the characters were so popular.


Also, might be a weak example, but Wolverine (the Canadian member of the X-Men team) was played by Hugh Jackman, an aussie. Doesn't bother me.

bonzai
02-04-2011, 11:58 PM
Edit: On a somewhat related topic, Molson Canadian is owned by an foreign corporation. That does somewhat bother me--still I prefer Keith's anyways. If you're in Ontario or out east especially (hint hint Boo if you ever end up visiting Newfoundland), since that's where it started, be sure to get some Alexander Keith's: I like the red and the IPA. It's no micro brew or anything (though I love micro brews, and especially brew pubs like Clocktower here in Ottawa), but good solid beer nonetheless, and they're Canadian owned and operated. Sorry to be so tangential, but beer is one thing I'm passionate about--which maybe makes the difference. I enjoy movies, and I watch a lot of them, but I wouldn't call them a passion. Fun factoid: "By the end of 2006, nearly 90% of beer sales was of product brewed domestically under licence from non-domestic corporations." source ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

To get completely off topic, a two-four of Canadian here costs about 36 bucks or so. A 20 minute trip accross the border (from my parent's place anyways) I bought a 28 pack for 20 bucks plus deposit. However, it's 4% instead of 5 in the states. It's funny--a 20 minute drive... significantly cheaper, but less alcohol.


What's really ironic about Molson Canadian being owned by foreigners is the succinctly nationalist ad campaigns they put out...though admittedly I love them, as do most Canadians. Also, pretty much everything said is true, at least for me:

YouTube - The Three Best Molson Canadian Commercials

Boo
02-05-2011, 01:01 AM
Now being bothered by Molson Canadian being owned by a foreign corporation I can relate to. I go far out of my way to look for things made in the U.S. For example, I only buy the New Balance athletic shoes that are made in the U.S. My most recent example, I was placing an order at work last week for a variety of supplies. The website listed where certain batteries were made and I deleted the ones from China I had originally put in my shopping cart and replaced them with ones made here.

Let me tell you, it drives me batshit sometimes. It is really hard to find things made here and I don't even care if I have to pay more for it. I recently wrote a letter to Wrangler because an "American Made" website said they made their jeans in the U.S. Nope, not anymore. Wrangler didn't specify where they were made though.

Just finding a damn blender.... :rant1: We spent a half hour sitting on the floor of a store searching over the boxes. None made here. Finally decided on the only one not made in China.

Rant over

Francis
02-05-2011, 01:20 AM
To get completely off topic, a two-four of Canadian here costs about 36 bucks or so. A 20 minute trip accross the border (from my parent's place anyways) I bought a 28 pack for 20 bucks plus deposit. However, it's 4% instead of 5 in the states. It's funny--a 20 minute drive... significantly cheaper, but less alcohol.

Next time you do this, check the label carefully. It might actually be the same alcohol content. In Canada, you express alcohol as a percentage of volume. In the US, it's less regulated, and some states aren't even required to carry a proof/percentage. Whatever state you're in might be measuring alcohol by weight.

On a somewhat related topic, Molson Canadian is owned by an foreign corporation. That does somewhat bother me

....

What's really ironic about Molson Canadian being owned by foreigners is the succinctly nationalist ad campaigns they put out...though admittedly I love them, as do most Canadians.

It's not so different in the US. The big "American" brands are foreign owned - Miller, Budweiser are European now. Coors, as you know, is part of Molson.

The world is becoming a global place. Nationalistic ideas in a capitalist market are almost quaint. I remember it was news a few years ago that the most "American" made car was a Toyota Camry.

Boo
02-05-2011, 01:31 AM
The more I read from experts about China the more quaint I want to be and the more I believe we have a disaster in our future. We have sold our souls in this country in order to have cheap products and I believe we will pay for it in the long run.

Francis
02-05-2011, 01:32 AM
... I deleted the ones from China I had originally put in my shopping cart and replaced them with ones made here. .... Finally decided on the only one not made in China.

What's with the hating on China?

Americans buy stuff from the Chinese. The Chinese lend the money back to the Americans. It's the circle of life :party:

prophet665
02-05-2011, 01:37 AM
Dos Equis, a Mexican beer, is owned by Heineken (a Dutch company).

I am surprised that no one has brought up John Wayne playing Genghis Khan. The Mongolians should be pissed!

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Warchief
02-05-2011, 01:45 AM
Actually Christian Slater did play Churchill, with Neve Campbell as Princess Elizabeth: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Plenty of American actors have played foreign roles, and vice versa. That's why they call it "acting".

Not a fan of Chris so I didn't know...that dude is always angry to the Germans everytime he's high on coke.


Dos Equis, a Mexican beer, is owned by Heineken (a Dutch company).

I am surprised that no one has brought up John Wayne playing Genghis Khan. The Mongolians should be pissed!

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I heard a rumor before that Mickey Rourke would might potray Genghis Khan.

Francis
02-05-2011, 01:53 AM
The more I read from experts about China the more quaint I want to be and the more I believe we have a disaster in our future. We have sold our souls in this country in order to have cheap products and I believe we will pay for it in the long run.

What are you scared of? I think China has much more to worry about the US, than the other way around.

Boo
02-05-2011, 03:18 AM
What are you scared of? I think China has much more to worry about the US, than the other way around.

Francis, I'm not going to try to convert anyone to my way of thinking on this issue because I can't link to some website that will explain it. None of my reading has been on the Internet and this is such a complex issue, that I'd have to literally spend hours writing about it. Since I haven't memorized what I've read, I'd have to go back to original material to find specifics I could site. Considering I have a class tomorrow morning and I also have to finish preparing a presentation for a conference, I just don't have the time. I'm heading to bed as soon as I finish this.

To give you some generalities, this is one of the things that concerns me. China's practice of going into third world countries that have natural resources of one sort or another. They make deals where they (China) will build infrastructure in order to exploit said resources. The country then gets into so much debt to China they are forced to give up their collateral, the resources, to China. Imagine China having the foresight to corner the market on precious limited resources while we sit with our thumbs up our butts.

Unfair business practices that kill production in other countries. Investment in the U.S. Environmental damage that does not stay put. Unwise use of water resources that can effect adjacent countries. Blah blah blah

I've heard enough to be convinced that China is a concern, but convincing others is on another level. I am not an expert.

I have long believed (Clinton administration) that it is naive to think throwing our borders open (metaphorically) would be good for the U.S. Naive to think that all countries will play fair, you might say. I can't believe that everyone is not concerned that U.S. production of goods is disappearing. It is our middle class.

Oh well, already went on far longer than I planned. G'night for now.

prophet665
02-05-2011, 09:51 AM
Boo, there is a book that explains how the US does that very thing:

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins

Amazon.com: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man (9781576753019): John Perkins: Books

China and the US are the only countries that have been large enough to pull it off.

Francis
02-05-2011, 01:08 PM
Considering I have a class tomorrow morning and I also have to finish preparing a presentation for a conference, I just don't have the time. I'm heading to bed as soon as I finish this.

Conference on a weekend? That's just cruel!

bonzai
02-05-2011, 03:05 PM
I understand where you're coming from Boo. Really though, although what they're doing might be backhanded, it's not against the rules. It's smart...but yes America is paying for it.

Really, it's good for your country's economy to buy local or at least American made products--if you spend money to American corporations, in turn the money will be pumped back into American economies. If you buy Chinese or Taiwanese made products, American made money is being pumped into foreign economies.

Despite this, I'm more inclined to just buy the superior and/or cost effective product. Where I do tend to draw the line is food. I try as much as possible to buy locally grown produce and local livestock. This really tends to lead back to quality however. I'm a foodie, and buying from local farmers means it's fresh and you know where it's coming from. You can visit and see the way they treat the animals, and environmental practices. If you don't care for any of that, nine times out of ten, you'll still receive a far superior product to the unripe produce shipped by the ton out of foreign countries, allowed to sit and ripen in trucks instead of on the vine, tree or bush.

So I totally see where you are coming from Boo. Oh yeah--and a conference on a weekend does blow. Good luck!

Francis
02-05-2011, 03:28 PM
I try as much as possible to buy locally grown produce and local livestock. This really tends to lead back to quality however. I'm a foodie, and buying from local farmers means it's fresh and you know where it's coming from. You can visit and see the way they treat the animals, and environmental practices. If you don't care for any of that, nine times out of ten, you'll still receive a far superior product to the unripe produce shipped by the ton out of foreign countries, allowed to sit and ripen in trucks instead of on the vine, tree or bush.


Buying local food is also really good for your carbon footprint, if that's important to you. I was listening to a program where someone was doing studies to try and minimize the environmental impact of food, and it turned out that the transportation of food from where it's harvested to the grocery store has a significant CO2 cost.